SF4 Notebook – 4/14/2009

by casperOne 14. April 2009 13:22

Zangief

Zangief’s Ultra Combo is not like Akuma’s or Abel’s in the sense that the latter two, while appearing to be grab moves, require contact to be made with the opponent in order to inflict damage.

To get out of this situation on reaction, one can just tap (not hold) up during the Ultra Combo animation to avoid the move, as both require the character to be on the ground in order to connect (being in the jump animation counts as not being on the ground).

Zangief’s Ultra Combo, however is a true command throw which is instant, so if you are in range, you’re done on execution.

The frame data supports this (emphasis mine):

Name Startup Active Recovery Block F.A. Hit F.A. Blockstun Hitstun Damage Stun Super Meter Gain Block Cancel Ability
Ultra Combo 1+0 2 46 - - - - 600 0 0/0 1.4 -

That bolded “0” indicates that after the “intro” to the Ultra Combo, there isn’t any window of opportunity to react.

But along comes this video of the Korean National Champion in SF4 (he is playing Zangief):

At ~3:16, you see Zangeif enter into the animation for his Ultra Combo, which Ryu counters after the animation with a SRK.

The consensus over at SRK seems to be that the input for the SRK was put in before the Ultra Combo animation, and because at least the first frame of the SRK is invulnerable (to throws as well) it was able to counter Zangief’s Ultra Combo.

This makes sense, because I would never try to psychic DP if my expectation was that an Ultra Combo was coming out.  However, on knockdown, with a player trying to cross me up, a SRK reversal is natural.

So it goes to show that Zangief’s Ultra Combo can be reversed, but only if you are psychic, and not on reaction.

Fortunately, there is this comment about Sagat’s Tiger Uppercut (all versions) in the frame data (emphasis mine):

1-5f invincible, 6-7f throw invincible, 8f~ airborne, opponent is in jugglable state on counterhit

Which means that in a similar situation (knocked down by Zangief who is trying to jump in/cross-up on wakeup), the Tiger Uppercut will get me out of a situation where Zangief might jump in early and try to Ultra Sagat on wakeup.

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SF4 Notebook – 3/13/2009

by casperOne 13. March 2009 02:34

General

Tonight was a total grind-fest.  It was one of those nights where execution was spotty at the worst times, and my BP just kept going up, then down, down, down.

In the end, after four hours, I might have made about 70-80 BP to end up at ~2500 BP.  I try not to focus on the number, but it’s hard to hover around a single point for so long (a few weeks is long?).

One really annoying thing was when I played someone without checking the match details.  He set the match to best of one round, and 30 seconds.  By the time I noticed it, he had won, and I lost 120+ BP.

Always check the match details before engaging.

Ken

I've come to the conclusion that I really think lowly of Ken players ever since I saw the flowchart which lays out his course of action:

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(source: unknown)

While it is pretty true, I get pretty mad at myself when I lose to them, because I usually didn't punish the Shoryuken.

Ryu

His Ultra can hit Sagat’s Ultra when Sagat starts his Ultra right after his and he is a little bit past mid-range.  It was the only time I haven’t gone completely through his Ultra to punish.  I’m not concerned about it, yet.

Cammy

Felt a little more comfortable in the matchups.  I think that’s partially due to not putting myself out there for the Cannon Drill too much.

Sakura

On the other hand, the two times I played against Sakura, I got destroyed.  Her j.HK stuffed everything that I put up (HK, Tiger Uppercut, etc, etc), which leads into her nine-hit combo (I think it’s nine?) as well as some more nastiness if you are in the corner.

On top of that, the people playing her were great at zoning (whereas my zone game is suffering) so I was just off my game with her the whole night.

El Fuerte

I got slammed by him this evening.  The Tostada Press (I think?) just crosses me up every time, and he’s like a little rat scurrying around, it’s hard to get a bead on him.

Abel

Another annoying M.F., but not so much tonight.  Getting used to the odd high-low blocking for his three hit grab, but I don’t have an answer for the grab part yet.

Also, as fast as Abel’s Ultra combo is, Sagat’s Ultra combo can be executed to punish even when Abel is very close (as is the case with most Ultra/Ultra match-ups).

Boxer

I end up executing the Tiger Knee against him all night long.  It seems to be the only move he doesn't have a good
response to (although he has a response to everything else, it seems).

At least the SoCal Balrog army wasn’t out tonight.  I must have played ten ‘Rogs in a row the last time I was online.

C. Viper

At first, I was intimidated by her moves, as they are very flashy, but that’s really all they are.  They do damage, but they don’t have hitboxes that are the same size.

However, you do have to be aware of her jump angle, as her’s is more like an ST jump angle.  She also seems to be able to juggle pretty easily, and switch her trajectory in the air for some interesting combo/juggle opportunities, so it’s worth it to be cautious.

Blanka

When blocking an EX Rolling Attack, countering with a low EX Tiger Shot always seems to punish.  I’m still not so sure on a response to the regular Rolling Attack though.

While Blank’s slide is annoying, Sagat can do the LK Tiger Knee right over him, recovering before he will and usually putting him in good position to punish from behind.

Sagat

Sagat’s cr.MK seemed to be getting punished with a regularity I was uncomfortable with tonight.  I had a feeling that the cr.HP was faster, but I wasn’t sure it was the right alternative.

Here’s the frame data for the two moves:

Name Startup Active Recovery Block F.A. Hit F.A. Blockstun Hitstun Damage Stun Super Meter Gain Block Cancel Ability
c.MP 5 3 10 +1 +4 13 16 90 100 40 HL SpS
c.MK 7 3 15 -4 -1 13 16 90 100 40 L SpS

Hitstun, blockstun, damage, stun, super meter gain and cancel ability are all the same.  The startup is two frames quicker, and you actually get frame advantage on hit and block for the c.MP.

So the obvious choice here is to use the c.MP.

The problem is, I play on a PS3 pad and my MK is mapped to the R1 shoulder button.  I usually use this to combo from c.MK –> Low Tiger Shot or Tiger Knee (all three require only a kick).  Mapping the MP to the R1 shoulder button is an option, but I’d have to fiddle with my thumb on the pad for the Tiger Shot/Tiger Knee, or use the L1 shoulder button, which would be more cumbersome.

I guess I could put MP and MK on the right hand shoulder, with the Px3 and Kx3 on the left shoulder buttons, but then the Ultras would be more difficult to get out (they have saved my ass more than once and I’m not sure I’m willing to give that up just yet).

Maybe I’ll just get my left hand up to speed (I’m a righty) after all.  I don’t like fiddling around with the buttons, as there is too much muscle-memory built up over the years.

Hopefully, all of this will be moot when I get my Mad Catz Tournament Edition Fight Stick, if they ever come out that is (and I hear the Standard one is crap).

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SF4 Notebook, 2/25/2009

by casperOne 25. February 2009 20:28

General

Definitely feeling more comfortable against people at the same level (~1800bp).  Also getting more comfortable being more aggressive and taking certain hits.

Sagat

In a mirror match, it’s not a good idea to do a low Tiger Shot when he throws a high one.  You will get hit on recovery (you don’t duck down far enough like in ST).

Getting the cr.MK –> Tiger Knee much more now and it’s an obvious improvement in my game.  It’s not that these combos are hard, it’s about consistently executing them in reaction to punishable moves.

Given the very quick recovery in the game, the cr.MK –> Tiger Shot Low tends to connect, even when you are not right next to the person when executing.

While working on the execution of cr.MK –> Tiger Knee, I’m sure there is one more move that can be linked in before the cr.MK.  Frame data is going to help in figuring this out.

Zangief

Such a beast.  Still not used to the timing for recovering characters, so trying to meaty him on his wake-up usually ends up with an SPD which is brutal.

People also seem to be getting more comfortable with Zangief, as I played three in a row.

Still having problems countering the Spinning Lariat.

Cammy

The lack of recovery on her Cannon Spikes and Cannon Drills seem nonexistent.  The Hooligan and her tumbling midair grabs have crazy range, so defense is a better tactic against her for now.

E. Honda

A whiffed headbutt on his part has the same result as Akuma whiffing the Demon Rage, where on jumpback you are right next to the character on recovery.  Note to self, learn to punish in the same way.

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SF4 Notebook – 2/24/2009

by casperOne 25. February 2009 00:21

General

I definitely need to be the aggressor more.  There are a lot of people who are frozen into inactivity and in doing so, giving up free opportunities to attack.

Learning to incorporate dash effectively is also a priority.  Since jump timing is a little longer, dashing forward indiscriminately usually means a face full of fireball.

Akuma

Too many people are spamming the Raging Demon (Super and Ultra versions).  Dodging this is very easy (just jump out of the way).  However, there seems to be some frames of invulnerability on startup.  I found this out the hard way when I jumped in with an attack when he was knocked down, and he reversed into this.

Usually, I jump backwards, and that puts you RIGHT next to Akuma when he is recovering.  I have to learn to exploit that, as I’m not comboing enough.

Sagat

Definitely becoming more comfortable with comboing from the cr.MK to Tiger Shot.  However, frame data suggests that for standing opponents, I should be doing F+HK –> Tiger Knee HK, while for crouching opponents, it would seem cr.MP/MK –> Tiger Knee HK.

I might lean towards cr.MP for crouching opponents just because it feels like it would be easier to execute on a pad and has the same damage profile as MK.

I absolutely love the distance that Sagat puts between himself and his opponent when connecting with his Ultra move.  This is in stark contract to Ryu’s which doesn’t do anything to put any distance between you on hit (which can be an issue).

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